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Poll Results: Readers Speak Out About Brown/Warren Controversies

Indian claim stirs outrage among some Patch readers against US Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren.

 

The controversy over US Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren's claim to be part Native American is not going over well with Patch readers in the Greater Boston area, according to an unscientific Patch poll.

As of Thursday morning 52 percent of the 304 Patch readers who took our unscientific poll said they believe US Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren is more of a hypocrite than incumbent Republican US Senator Scott Brown.

Meanwhile some 19 percent who took the poll said they believe Brown is more of a hypocrite for voting against President Barack Obama's health care law while taking advantage of a key provision in it: the provision that allows him to keep his elder daughter on his congressional health insurance plan.

30 Comments Left on May 3 Article

Comments posted on the May 3 article, which ran on Patch sites in Boston's South End, Back Bay, Beacon Hill, Charlestown, as well as in Somerville, Medford, Malden, Melrose, Stoneham and Wakefield, also favored Brown over Warren.

"Leave Pinocchio-hontas alone," said Richie M, who also went on to call her a "shameless box checker." 

"...Checking off the affirmative action box that she is a Native American because her grandmother told her she had high cheekbones pretty much sums up the Democrat Party and Democrat voters," added Jim Hatherley. "Even for Massachusetts Democrats she is an embarrassment."

However, many readers also supported Warren. 

"I'm a Warren supporter, because I see her as a fighter for the things that matter to me, like protecting the middle class, which has been under assault for too long," said mike festa. "Her record of being a strong voice for economic and financial accountability for Wall Street is clear and long- standing. There are too many champions of big business in the Senate already."

Ben Akinnodi wrote, "If Warren is not voted in, it will be sad for the 99% of this great nation. Republicans don't care about the little people. That is a fact."

'We have the best government money will buy'

Still others were more diplomatic. Some 15 percent of those who took our poll checked off the box that said neither candidate are hypocrites, "It's just politics as usual." And some 12 percent said they believe both candidates are hypocrites.

Ron Sen summed up the view of many political cynics or political realists (depending on your view): 

"The "Profiles in Courage" approach to American democracy died long ago. We have the best government that money can buy. Each of us is entitled to our own opinions, but we are not entitled to our own facts. You cannot win a major national election (e.g. every Senate race) without money, no matter which party you support.

"Having cared for a number of America's elite politicians for a decade at Bethesda Naval Hospital, I trust none. One of my colleagues who will remain unnamed said that he trusted only one politician in Washington. Later, that politician was convicted of perjury.

"Why do you think a billion dollars will be spent on this presidential election? Money buys access, and access buys policy. Those are the facts."

Related Topics: Elizabeth Warren, Scott Brown, US Senate, and election 2012

Plenty O'Toole

8:26 am on Saturday, May 12, 2012

Massachusetts: shaming itself yet again.

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John

8:41 am on Saturday, May 12, 2012

Warren and her boss Obama will soon feel the wrath of the voters. Both are lying hypocrites. Obama, who I expect to lose in a historic landslide in November, will then have even more time to spend on lavish parties, golf, and visiting his Hollywood buddies.

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Helena Starke

2:27 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

Hip Hip Hooray !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Samantha A

12:28 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012

How long til Lizzy brings up Brown's photo shoots again? I would love to hear more about her involvement with the insurance companies denying claims to the people who became sick with mesotheleoma.

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just thinking

5:29 pm on Sunday, May 13, 2012

warren lied and used the race card 3 times to get into 2 colleges,and get a job at harvard.then she decided she didn't want to be a minority anymore.. no wonder obama likes her .she lies just like him,over and over again

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Alicia Hunt

8:28 pm on Sunday, May 13, 2012

I have to say that I am stunned by the vocal Patch readers who think that Warren intentionally lied on this issue. The article linked above doesn't list one school that said they were aware of her minority heritage when hiring her. She says (in the article) that her family continued the oral tradition of passing down stories from their American Indian ancestors, which to me, shows the utmost respect for her heritage.

My son asked me to today if we had been in the US for more than 4 generations, because a Discovery Channel show said that then we likely have American Indian ancestors. I told him that I knew we had relatives on my father's side that had been here since the Revolutionary War, but I honestly didn't know if we had any American Indian ancestors. At least her family (accurately) remembered and respected their heritage!

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Kasey Hariman

9:10 am on Monday, May 14, 2012

Hi, Alicia! You might be interested in this article I found on the JP Gazette, which has the North American Indian Center of Boston's perspective on the whole situation:

http://jamaicaplaingazette.com/2012/05/11/jp-indian-center-warren-should-visit-us-2/

And this quote, from the director of the Center: "I don’t feel like I’m in any position to make a determination on her Indian-ness,” Dunn said of the Warren controversy. She noted that each of the more than 550 American Indian nations sets its own standards for determining membership, and that Warren’s reported 1/32 ethnicity would qualify for some nations. She added that if the reports about one of Warren’s ancestors in the 1800s self-identifying as American Indian are correct, that is probably true because there was little benefit to lying about such ethnicity in the America of that era."

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Jay K.

3:06 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

Thank you for this. I'm also at a complete loss to understand why this could possibly even matter. I'm a Warren supporter, and I'm as prone to bias as anyone else. But having done the very simple thought experiment - 'would I make a big deal about this if it was Brown?' - I feel very comfortable saying that I cannot in any way understand these reactions. Why are we not talking about voting record and positions? Why doesn't that seem to matter to the people that get so angry about this?

Kevin

8:51 pm on Sunday, May 13, 2012

People are sick of what politicians are doing and saying. I am sorry you are shocked by people's disgust for what is happening.

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Gene Pinkham

4:19 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

In other news. Yahoo forced its CEO to resign for stating on his resume that he has a degree in Computer Science instead of Accounting.

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Jarret Bencks

12:12 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

A comment on this thread was deleted for violating Patch's terms of use.

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Steve Kavanagh

12:34 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

While working in the Obama administration, Warren helped craft the bailout bill that allowed Wall Street execs to pocket millions in bonuses. How is that "standing up to the big boys and fighting for the middle class?"

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Mary glynn

10:01 am on Friday, May 18, 2012

This is a manufactured issue. People who claim that Warren lied about her heritage to scam the affirmative action initiative know absolutely zero about how a RECRUITED candidate is sought out for a tenured position at a major law school. It may shock these folks to learn that one NEVER, REPEAT, NEVER applies for this type of position. These positions are subject to extensive review and are the purview of a special search committee that is expected to recruit and convince the individual of a school's interest. She was thoroughly vetted by Harvard and UPenn law schools - her heritage had nothing to do with her being hired as a tenured professor.

One is RECRUITED and does not 'check off a box re: heritage' before being considered. But don't let facts get in the way of Republican trolls.

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Richie M

10:28 am on Friday, May 18, 2012

Mary just to clarify, it's not that fact that Liz has been exposed as an utter fraud that bothers you? The Cherokee Nation has now denounced her as a fraud. It's the Republican trolls who claim that she lied to scam the affirmative action system that do?

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Mary glynn

11:07 am on Friday, May 18, 2012

Just to clarify, Richie, but the schools who hired her reiterate their support for her candidacy. Fact, Richie, there is no evidence that at the time of her recruitment to either law school, there was any discussion by HER of her heritage. She did NOT indicate any NA ancestry at the time of her recruitment nor for her college applications. Refute that.

On another note, I am very concerned about Brown. I do not support his agenda or his voting record, which is clearly not that of an "independent voice for MA." He votes the R party line, according to the dictates of Mitch McConnell, a reprehensible toad if there ever was one. The only time Brown is allowed to cross the party line is on a vote that ultimately doesn not matter. So much for integrity.

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Richie M

12:30 pm on Friday, May 18, 2012

I don't need to refute anything. The Cherokee Nation did it for me. And as much as it may hurt her acolytes to accept, remember she's the one who checked off the NA box. Maybe she's right. Maybe she did check off the NA box so she "would be invited to the luncheons". Maybe grandpa did have "high cheekbones like all the indians do". Maybe the "ancient marriage license" that she claimed as "proof" of Cherokee heritage that has now been proven to never have existed, did exist. And her latest claim is "My cousin wrote a recipe for a Native American cookbook." What a pathetic fool. It's ironic that you mentioned integrity. I think any person who falsely & shamelessly claims to be something that their not (even after being exposed as a fraud by her own alleged tribe) speaks volumes about their character. Like you said Mary "a reprehensible toad if there ever was one".

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Mary glynn

1:49 pm on Friday, May 18, 2012

Richie,

You can continue to hammer away at Cherokee nation status or non-status all you want, but I do think that most serious voters are moving past this issue and taking a look at what is really at stake. It is Scott Brown's voting record and try as his acolytes may try, people will want to compare his empty words ("I'm an independent vote for MA") and match those up with his voting record. It is not a pretty sight.

Brown knows this and he is trying his best to distract people in any way possible. Whether that works or not remains to be seen. I am not a one-issue voter; rather I take a look at the whole picture and make my decision on that basis. I don't have to agree with any candidate 100% on all fronts because that is very difficult, but I do have to believe in my candidate and I do not believe in Brown's word. He is NOT the independent person he claimed to be in the last election. That, and examining his voting record, (which I have done and always do before casting my vote for anyone), and I will not consider his candidacy in the next election. You feel the same way about Elizabeth Warren, so we shall neutralize each other's vote.

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Richie M

2:11 pm on Friday, May 18, 2012

I think any person who falsely & shamelessly claims to be something that their not (even after being exposed as a fraud by her own alleged tribe) speaks volumes about their character. Like you said Mary " a reprehensible toad if there ever was one".

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Richie M

11:52 am on Saturday, May 19, 2012

" There's nothing to indicate she's Cherokee. Her family is found nowhere among Cherokee records. We have serious issues in indian country. There are living conditions that are sometimes worse than in third world countries. She (Warren) has no clue these issues even exist. Yet she (Warren) thinks she can pretend to be an indian and benefit from it. So it is important to talk about this because these are the people that she's stepped on to get where she is today."
Cherokee genealogist Twila Barnes.

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RW

3:27 pm on Saturday, May 19, 2012

Right. And Scott Brown, a shill for the nutcase Republicans, will do what for Native Americans? Give me a break.

Warren has campaigned tirelessly for regular folks rights, which is why she's been so targeted for manufactured issues (aka smears) like this. Richie, you're either a troll or what the Repiblicans love: a victim who can easily be convinced to attack anyone who would help him. Either way, I feel sorry for you.

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Richie M

7:59 pm on Saturday, May 19, 2012

Please don't feel sorry for me RW. Although your insincerity is appreciated, I think your tireless champion of regular folks rights needs your sympathy more than I do. On top of being exposed as a fraudulent Cherokee Indian by her own alleged tribe, she's now facing accusations of plagiarism for her contribution of " special recipes passed down through the Five Tribe Families" to the Native American cookbook ; Pow Wow Chow. Look it up. She plagiarised the recipes word for word. I can only imagine the disappointment you feel, as it appears by the angry tone of your remarks that you are definitely smelling what Liz is spreading. But that's your right. So I ask you to save your disingenuous empathy for your tireless heroine of the regular folks. Because like Liz says "middle class isn't a number, it's a place in the heart". Aww.

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A van Berkel

10:40 pm on Saturday, May 19, 2012

AvB
RW I think you're wrong about Richie, he's not 'either' a troll or a victim; he's a troll & a victim.

When policy and voting record clearly show Brown is a politician who's goal is to work for Wall Streets's agenda at the expense of the middle class - he and his shills follow the Rove game plan and smear his opponent.

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Richie M

11:27 am on Sunday, May 20, 2012

You wouldn't be refering to the same EVIL Wall Street whose donations Liz Warren's campaign accepts? I bet when Liz said ; "I do accept Wall Street donations, but I only accept money from the good people on Wall Street" you breathed a big sigh of relief.

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Jay K.

3:34 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

Why does that matter Richie? Brown accepts a whole lot of money from Wall Street (in fact, that's where he gets most of his money: http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00031174), then supports Wall Street with his vote in the Senate. Elizabeth Warren has a solid history trying to put sensible regulation in place to prevent Wall Street abuses. If they want to give her money to get in the Senate and propose regulations to reign them in, why in the hell wouldn't she take it?

Mark

8:45 am on Sunday, May 20, 2012

You liberals need to get over "she's for the middle class" nonsense. She's for Lizzy. Its like when a town needs more money for schools and they claim "its for the children". Rubbish! Its to pad the pockets and pensions of public employee unions. Lizzy is just another Communist carpetbagger, like Deval, who thinks you need to work 10 months out of the year to pay for their "Communist State" instead of the 5 months you work now. Pretty soon these Communist Democrats will have your employer send Beacon Hill your check and they'll give you an allowance. Pinochio-hantas is a fraud!

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